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It was 10:30 a cold. Fall breeze was blowing through my bed room window. I had been lost in a digital world diligently updating my website through code and letters when Erica hustled into my room. Almost in tandem with the shuffle in her step were the sounds coming out of her mouth. If you paid close attention you could decipher the quick mumble as “I think I heard a mouse.” I stepped into the kitchen to a faint rustle behind a cardboard box of homemade marinara sauce. Thinking there must be some mistake on the behalf of our ears. I refused to believe there was a mouse behind there. I gave the box a gentle kick. The glasses inside clinked together. A small gray mass of fur scratched across the tile floor moving from the shelves to the area between the grimy yellow stained refrigerator and the wall. Erica shrieked and leapt off the ground then high-footed it back to her bedroom. What began with a quick shuffle has lead to heavy steps as I put my boots on and began to formulate a plan with Erica. The kitchen had to be quarantined. The door to the living room was blocked by two dinner trays placed vertically and duct taped onto the door frame. The door to the common room was blocked by an unused picture frame and a wide piece of cardboard. A constant eye was kept on the grimy yellow stained refrigerator to ensure that Mr. Fuzzybuns did not attempt a grand escape. I took note of the time; it was 10:50pm. We needed traps poisons anything that could keep Mr. Fuzzybuns and his unseen kin at bay. I put on my sweatshirt and ran out the door. I arrived at Chansky’s Market at 10:55. The employees that consisted of laid back types who wore tattered jeans to work had begun shutting the store down. I ran inside in a huff and asked the first person I saw if they had anything that could stop a mouse. This man tall and lanky with a tight fitting wool cap and a loose fitting wool sweater told me to “check over there.” He lead me to a veritable armory of rodent defense. I grabbed four mouse traps and two glue traps a box of poison and some rubber gloves. The man at the register chuckled. “You’re not playing huh?” No sir. I am not. I marched back to my apartment the night air whipping at my hands rustling the plastic bag that held the tools of destruction. I climbed the stairs each drop of my steel toed boots echoed like artillery in the distance. I was the facilitator of mouse death and I was getting closer. I flung open the front door and filled my apartment with an air of power. I continued my death march to the kitchen where I unloaded my weapons. I grabbed at the grimy yellow stained refrigerator and pulled it away from the wall revealing a cache of mouse droppings littering the floor like chocolate jimmies. I pulled the shelves away from the wall and took the faceplate off of the radiator. I was preparing my battlefield. The spring loaded traps were terrifying like the kind you would see in an old cartoon. The bar was held back in a precarious manner in which the slightest jostle could set it off. A bit of carelessness could lead to a loud SNAP which would lead to a much softer snap. The much softer snap would be the bone at the tip of your finger. Carefully. I began to mine the kitchen floor alternating between harmless glue traps and the spring loaded traps. The kitchen was in disarray. Appliances sat in the middle of the room spring-loaded death sat parallel to the wall mouse feces were scattered among the floor and the door ways were blocked. The chaos of the battlefield was making me uncomfortable. It was getting late about 11:30 to be exact. I had to get to bed so I could be rested for work the next day. Erica had already hid in her room lining the small space between her door and the frame with towels and glue traps. It was time to take my leave. I had a few odds and ends on the internet that I needed to take care of before bed so I sat down at my computer. Only ten minutes has passed. I stepped into the kitchen to a rustle under the radiator. One of the spring loaded traps was over turned under it were a pair of flailing limbs. I watched for a minute as they kicked and clawed only to quickly tire out then cease moving all together. I looked away with my head hung low. I walked over the the trap to find a small white and brown mouse neck contorted legs stretched. I put the trap mouse dangling into a plastic bag and took it out back. When I came back into the apartment. Erica was standing outside the kitchen’s barrier. I told her what I had seen the flailing and the small streak of blood left on the floor. Erica shed several tears and left for her bed room. I was worn from all the killing I had done. I stepped over the barrier around the grimy yellow stained refrigerator to the back door. The trap next to the door was over turned under it a small gray mass lay twisted. It was Mr. Fuzzybuns no doubt so tormented over the lose of his beloved wife that he could not imagine living a life of grief. “Tragedy has struck twice,” I said with a sigh. Then I left the kitchen because I figured I would make Tom throw this one out. We gather on this most solemn of occasions to recognize the passing of the Fuzzybuns family into the Great Kitchen Corner of Beyond. They were a brave trio - Mr. Fuzzybuns the leader and crumb winner; Mrs. Fuzzybuns his faithful true love; and Junior Fuzzybuns a plucky explorer whose big heart was only exceeded by the size of his dreams. They lived we think between the walls surrounding the Sociodome’s kitchen stealing tiny crumbs that were dropped and forgotten by the humans they shared the apartment with. Theirs was a simple but straightforward life following the tenants of Speedbowl until the very last. But do not mourn their passing! Nay rather celebrate their lives as they were shining examples to us all of how fufilling a life we can have if we learn to just not think but bowl. They bowled their hearts out and in the end their deaths were as quick as their lives. We salute you dear Fuzzybuns family and wish you the best wherever you may be now. In the name of The Apple. Hard Liquor and Video Games. Amen. XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>

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It was 10:30 a cold. Fall breeze was blowing through my bed room window. I had been lost in a digital world diligently updating my website through code and letters when Erica hustled into my room. Almost in tandem with the shuffle in her step were the sounds coming out of her mouth. If you paid close attention you could decipher the quick mumble as “I think I heard a mouse.” I stepped into the kitchen to a faint rustle behind a cardboard box of homemade marinara sauce. Thinking there must be some mistake on the behalf of our ears. I refused to believe there was a mouse behind there. I gave the box a gentle kick. The glasses inside clinked together. A small gray mass of fur scratched across the tile floor moving from the shelves to the area between the grimy yellow stained refrigerator and the wall. Erica shrieked and leapt off the ground then high-footed it back to her bedroom. What began with a quick shuffle has lead to heavy steps as I put my boots on and began to formulate a plan with Erica. The kitchen had to be quarantined. The door to the living room was blocked by two dinner trays placed vertically and duct taped onto the door frame. The door to the common room was blocked by an unused picture frame and a wide piece of cardboard. A constant eye was kept on the grimy yellow stained refrigerator to ensure that Mr. Fuzzybuns did not attempt a grand escape. I took note of the time; it was 10:50pm. We needed traps poisons anything that could keep Mr. Fuzzybuns and his unseen kin at bay. I put on my sweatshirt and ran out the door. I arrived at Chansky’s Market at 10:55. The employees that consisted of laid back types who wore tattered jeans to work had begun shutting the store down. I ran inside in a huff and asked the first person I saw if they had anything that could stop a mouse. This man tall and lanky with a tight fitting wool cap and a loose fitting wool sweater told me to “check over there.” He lead me to a veritable armory of rodent defense. I grabbed four mouse traps and two glue traps a box of poison and some rubber gloves. The man at the register chuckled. “You’re not playing huh?” No sir. I am not. I marched back to my apartment the night air whipping at my hands rustling the plastic bag that held the tools of destruction. I climbed the stairs each drop of my steel toed boots echoed like artillery in the distance. I was the facilitator of mouse death and I was getting closer. I flung open the front door and filled my apartment with an air of power. I continued my death march to the kitchen where I unloaded my weapons. I grabbed at the grimy yellow stained refrigerator and pulled it away from the wall revealing a cache of mouse droppings littering the floor like chocolate jimmies. I pulled the shelves away from the wall and took the faceplate off of the radiator. I was preparing my battlefield. The spring loaded traps were terrifying like the kind you would see in an old cartoon. The bar was held back in a precarious manner in which the slightest jostle could set it off. A bit of carelessness could lead to a loud SNAP which would lead to a much softer snap. The much softer snap would be the bone at the tip of your finger. Carefully. I began to mine the kitchen floor alternating between harmless glue traps and the spring loaded traps. The kitchen was in disarray. Appliances sat in the middle of the room spring-loaded death sat parallel to the wall mouse feces were scattered among the floor and the door ways were blocked. The chaos of the battlefield was making me uncomfortable. It was getting late about 11:30 to be exact. I had to get to bed so I could be rested for work the next day. Erica had already hid in her room lining the small space between her door and the frame with towels and glue traps. It was time to take my leave. I had a few odds and ends on the internet that I needed to take care of before bed so I sat down at my computer. Only ten minutes has passed. I stepped into the kitchen to a rustle under the radiator. One of the spring loaded traps was over turned under it were a pair of flailing limbs. I watched for a minute as they kicked and clawed only to quickly tire out then cease moving all together. I looked away with my head hung low. I walked over the the trap to find a small white and brown mouse neck contorted legs stretched. I put the trap mouse dangling into a plastic bag and took it out back. When I came back into the apartment. Erica was standing outside the kitchen’s barrier. I told her what I had seen the flailing and the small streak of blood left on the floor. Erica shed several tears and left for her bed room. I was worn from all the killing I had done. I stepped over the barrier around the grimy yellow stained refrigerator to the back door. The trap next to the door was over turned under it a small gray mass lay twisted. It was Mr. Fuzzybuns no doubt so tormented over the lose of his beloved wife that he could not imagine living a life of grief. “Tragedy has struck twice,” I said with a sigh. Then I left the kitchen because I figured I would make Tom throw this one out. We gather on this most solemn of occasions to recognize the passing of the Fuzzybuns family into the Great Kitchen Corner of Beyond. They were a brave trio - Mr. Fuzzybuns the leader and crumb winner; Mrs. Fuzzybuns his faithful true love; and Junior Fuzzybuns a plucky explorer whose big heart was only exceeded by the size of his dreams. They lived we think between the walls surrounding the Sociodome’s kitchen stealing tiny crumbs that were dropped and forgotten by the humans they shared the apartment with. Theirs was a simple but straightforward life following the tenants of Speedbowl until the very last. But do not mourn their passing! Nay rather celebrate their lives as they were shining examples to us all of how fufilling a life we can have if we learn to just not think but bowl. They bowled their hearts out and in the end their deaths were as quick as their lives. We salute you dear Fuzzybuns family and wish you the best wherever you may be now. In the name of The Apple. Hard Liquor and Video Games. Amen. XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>

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It was 10:30 a cold. Fall breeze was blowing through my bed room window. I had been lost in a digital world diligently updating my website through code and letters when Erica hustled into my room. Almost in tandem with the shuffle in her step were the sounds coming out of her mouth. If you paid close attention you could decipher the quick mumble as “I think I heard a mouse.” I stepped into the kitchen to a faint rustle behind a cardboard box of homemade marinara sauce. Thinking there must be some mistake on the behalf of our ears. I refused to believe there was a mouse behind there. I gave the box a gentle kick. The glasses inside clinked together. A small gray mass of fur scratched across the tile floor moving from the shelves to the area between the grimy yellow stained refrigerator and the wall. Erica shrieked and leapt off the ground then high-footed it back to her bedroom. What began with a quick shuffle has lead to heavy steps as I put my boots on and began to formulate a plan with Erica. The kitchen had to be quarantined. The door to the living room was blocked by two dinner trays placed vertically and duct taped onto the door frame. The door to the common room was blocked by an unused picture frame and a wide piece of cardboard. A constant eye was kept on the grimy yellow stained refrigerator to ensure that Mr. Fuzzybuns did not attempt a grand escape. I took note of the time; it was 10:50pm. We needed traps poisons anything that could keep Mr. Fuzzybuns and his unseen kin at bay. I put on my sweatshirt and ran out the door. I arrived at Chansky’s Market at 10:55. The employees that consisted of laid back types who wore tattered jeans to work had begun shutting the store down. I ran inside in a huff and asked the first person I saw if they had anything that could stop a mouse. This man tall and lanky with a tight fitting wool cap and a loose fitting wool sweater told me to “check over there.” He lead me to a veritable armory of rodent defense. I grabbed four mouse traps and two glue traps a box of poison and some rubber gloves. The man at the register chuckled. “You’re not playing huh?” No sir. I am not. I marched back to my apartment the night air whipping at my hands rustling the plastic bag that held the tools of destruction. I climbed the stairs each drop of my steel toed boots echoed like artillery in the distance. I was the facilitator of mouse death and I was getting closer. I flung open the front door and filled my apartment with an air of power. I continued my death march to the kitchen where I unloaded my weapons. I grabbed at the grimy yellow stained refrigerator and pulled it away from the wall revealing a cache of mouse droppings littering the floor like chocolate jimmies. I pulled the shelves away from the wall and took the faceplate off of the radiator. I was preparing my battlefield. The spring loaded traps were terrifying like the kind you would see in an old cartoon. The bar was held back in a precarious manner in which the slightest jostle could set it off. A bit of carelessness could lead to a loud SNAP which would lead to a much softer snap. The much softer snap would be the bone at the tip of your finger. Carefully. I began to mine the kitchen floor alternating between harmless glue traps and the spring loaded traps. The kitchen was in disarray. Appliances sat in the middle of the room spring-loaded death sat parallel to the wall mouse feces were scattered among the floor and the door ways were blocked. The chaos of the battlefield was making me uncomfortable. It was getting late about 11:30 to be exact. I had to get to bed so I could be rested for work the next day. Erica had already hid in her room lining the small space between her door and the frame with towels and glue traps. It was time to take my leave. I had a few odds and ends on the internet that I needed to take care of before bed so I sat down at my computer. Only ten minutes has passed. I stepped into the kitchen to a rustle under the radiator. One of the spring loaded traps was over turned under it were a pair of flailing limbs. I watched for a minute as they kicked and clawed only to quickly tire out then cease moving all together. I looked away with my head hung low. I walked over the the trap to find a small white and brown mouse neck contorted legs stretched. I put the trap mouse dangling into a plastic bag and took it out back. When I came back into the apartment. Erica was standing outside the kitchen’s barrier. I told her what I had seen the flailing and the small streak of blood left on the floor. Erica shed several tears and left for her bed room. I was worn from all the killing I had done. I stepped over the barrier around the grimy yellow stained refrigerator to the back door. The trap next to the door was over turned under it a small gray mass lay twisted. It was Mr. Fuzzybuns no doubt so tormented over the lose of his beloved wife that he could not imagine living a life of grief. “Tragedy has struck twice,” I said with a sigh. Then I left the kitchen because I figured I would make Tom throw this one out. We gather on this most solemn of occasions to recognize the passing of the Fuzzybuns family into the Great Kitchen Corner of Beyond. They were a brave trio - Mr. Fuzzybuns the leader and crumb winner; Mrs. Fuzzybuns his faithful true love; and Junior Fuzzybuns a plucky explorer whose big heart was only exceeded by the size of his dreams. They lived we think between the walls surrounding the Sociodome’s kitchen stealing tiny crumbs that were dropped and forgotten by the humans they shared the apartment with. Theirs was a simple but straightforward life following the tenants of Speedbowl until the very last. But do not mourn their passing! Nay rather celebrate their lives as they were shining examples to us all of how fufilling a life we can have if we learn to just not think but bowl. They bowled their hearts out and in the end their deaths were as quick as their lives. We salute you dear Fuzzybuns family and wish you the best wherever you may be now. In the name of The Apple. Hard Liquor and Video Games. Amen. XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>

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So is it possible to be all things VEG for all the RIGHT reasons (whatever they are to you personally) and carry on an ED that way? Not looking for a contend just curious if anyone else may feel the same way... Or if im just a crazy stressed mess at the moment.. xxm i'm a little offended by this and i have never change surface come close to having an eating disturb of course all of the regular posters on here know that some members undergo EDs and that's because they have come out and said it and that takes a lot of strength as it is if you are concerned about someone on here you should contact them personally and not communicate a large group of populate that you undergo lumped together because they undergo only one thing in common. I agree. It is completely understandable to act offense when people begin discussing the "stick-thin" girls on this forum. desire Lime color. I do not believe this is the appropriate place or manner for voicing such concerns as legitimate as they are. Nor is it effective--as we are seeing it only alienates certain people or groups of populate eliciting reactions of defensiveness anger or compel (and justifiably so). I think the most important thing to bequeath is that we are all here to support each other as members of the veg*n community. I know that any expressions of concern arise from a genuine interest in the well-being of everyone here. But I don't think any dialogue we have here can be helpful or effective. desire many people have been saying those of us with disordered eating (or disorders of any sort) really be to desire assistance from other places in order to be come up. Ok - like everyone else I've read lots of the ED threads on here. Can I just turn this around a little? One thing that did occur to me was that perhaps veganism was a saviour for some of those with EDs. By which I convey. I suppose that it allows a strict measure of control over what they're eating but if they're doing it right they are also eating healthily. This is maybe naive - probably is - I've never had an ED and can't fully understand the mental processes. I'm just watching the effects on the daughter of a dear friend and with her it seems to be the need to establish control over something in her life. Veganism could do that. My 2 cents:I was about to be hospitalized for an eating disorder... I researched veganism. Did I want to lose charge? Possibly. I won't contradict that. However the main reason I chose veganism was because it has rules. I had my own set of rules for so many years (no this no that no sugar no carbs etc); rules that made no comprehend. Veganism's rules make sense. Despite my hopes to suffer a little weight. I mainly made the switch to this type of diet because I couldn't rest my rules any longer-- they were keeping me so sick. Veganism was a last-ditch effort on my part to get healthy. A friend told me once; anyone can be skinny by not eating and purging-- why can't you try to be healthy and keep a normal weight? I had to force myself to eat things that I'd not eaten for years in order to cater myself- carbs mainly-- then I actually made vegan desserts- wow- hadn't let myself eat sweets for a desire time. The be just fell into place. I'd be vegetarian for a while as a teenager for animal reasons- I like em! And the more I read and research this way of life is healthy for me... I've actually gained weight since adapting this way of eating and so I go to the gym a little more-- what has changed is that I'm at peace with what I'm doing (vegan) because it's purposeful (helping earth animals etc) and so it's been a slow change in my thinking but a totally positive one. ED's aren't easy and this isn't my cure-all; I still deal with thoughts occasionally but fight them on a daily basis. Shaolin. I gesticulate your post and am glad you brought it up. I do not believe it's "baiting" because no one had to speak up.. someone else said this is in response to another affix/topic... I don't experience I'm not on here enough but I do get sick of all the ED threads.. it seems change surface the positive ones turn into... well not so positive for those who want to try to be healthy. That being said this is strictly my experience and opinion(s). I am not trying nor intending to offend anyone in any way. Let me ask... Do you believe being Vegan can act an eating disorder?I for one have always had food issues never considered them an eating disturb because i am certain to eat a healthful balanced fast (normally). However... A full day can go by when working a catered event (which rarely has anything that I would eat but it's for our appointments anyway so who cares) & i'll look & thrust but never pick up a thing... I'll quiz the chef & I always feel like they want to lie & say "there are no egg whites in it"... Or something else adorable. Then i'll have a glass of booze & be toasty rather quickly (hooray alcohol calories! kidding friends). I keep some lara bars around but I have noticed lately that i have dropped some study weight due to stress... And when I stress. I don't eat. But i also have just recently began to become more consumed/ strict with what I eat... So is it possible to be all things VEG for all the alter reasons (whatever they are to you personally) and bring on an ED that way? Not looking for a battle just curious if anyone else may conclude the same way... Or if im just a crazy stressed eat at the moment.. xxm LudaBlue just working with and around food all day can blackball your appetite. My mother worked in the hospital kitchens when I was in school and when she got domiciliate she just couldn't approach eating food. She had been around it too much and as you say she would poke but not eat. I learned to cook because of this if she had to go home and prepare yet another meal she wouldn't bother to eat anything. So I would have simple nutritious things available like dope something that she could eat without any worry and without having to sit down at a delay. She would often lie in bed with a bowl of dope and a magazine where if she had to prepare it her appetite would go before it was create from raw material change surface a simple thing desire a sandwich. In your inspect if you can eat on your days off etc as normal it's probably a combination of evince being overtired and "food handler's overkill"--you simply get sick of the sight of the stuff. Hm in my opinion (my 2 cents if you will!) I would think that the opposite would be true. Of cover that only applies to populate raising healthy veg kids so let's disregard people feeding their kids vegan potato chips or nothing but bean wet. I think if you raise a child veg*n you're teaching him/her about nutrition and compassion which is completely unrelated to the self esteem issues underlying problems or other issues associated with an eating disorder. Of course they can coexist but they're certainly not related unless a parent were to create fixation issues. My internet connection has been down for the past day so I’m only just able to just read and respond. And now. I barely experience where to begin. God. I really don’t. Some of you are taking what I said the wrong way. Maybe I went about it all wrong. Maybe I’m just a shitty writer who can’t convey what I am feeling and be to say. Please please please let me alter this perfectly alter…I NEVER said that EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has an eating disorder is using veganism as a way to hide/facilitate it!!!!!I was NOT addressing populate with eating disorders COLLECTIVELY. I realize that there are some/many of you who have or had an eating disturb who may not have the problem I described. All I was saying is that SOME (SOME SOME SOME… please say it like a mantra) girls on Vegweb might be hiding their eating disturb with veganism. I PROMISE you I was not singling out any particular person. NOR was I addressing people with eating disorders collectively. It was a general affix. I really tried to evince in my original post that I DON’T KNOW ANY OF YOU PERSONALLY; again. I cannot pinpoint the reasons why you became vegan or why some of you undergo eating disorders. I can’t point fingers. I truly can’t. Nor do I have a desire to. Ironically some of you who are offended by what I wrote…I didn’t even know you had an eating disorder until now yet it seems like you think that I am “accusing” you in particular. I know that in the past. I have been abrasive in some posts. I bully the bullies. But I can assure you. PROMISE you this affix was not to bemock anyone. I never meant to draw anyone out. Especially not anyone in particular. It was merely meant to shed light on an air that some of you might be experiencing…I don’t know who. I really don’t. In fact. I have to say there are so many of you who MIGHT fit the description…I don’t know which of you do in reality. Again that was not the inform of my affix. Because my internet connection was drink earlier today. I went to the library to check up on my telecommunicate on the computer there. My “allotted” computer measure only allowed me enough time to construe through this thread but not enough to act. I was highly distressed and actually cried. If anyone knows about the suffer and pain and guilt and suffering and fear fear fear and pain pain hurt of an eating disorder…it is ME. I went through four years of hell with it. It is a part of my life it is a move of what made me who I am today. I have empathy and compassion for anyone going through an eating disturb. I conclude your pain. This is why I wanted to bring it out in the open. Acknowledging something is the first go to a exceed life. I experience this from firsthand undergo. Laurabs—I undergo avoided many of the eating disturb threads in the past for various personal reasons (some of which are cropping up right here in this thread) so I did a search on “eating disorders” on vegweb and see that you indeed carry this air up in the past. But in reading through some of the posts of that go people are dancing around the issue. I know that some of you feel that I am confrontational. I experience this is going to sound condescending and I swear that it is not meant to be (I have tremendous respect for all you going through this) but I’ve been through enough in life to know that dancing around an air gets no one anywhere. Especially when it comes to important issues or someone’s health. The more something is brought out in the open the more populate LEARN and the more people can exceed back up themselves. Going in circles patting each other on the approve can definitely be comforting. But the stark reality of a problem brought out in the lighten can jolt someone change state. And back up them. It actually hurts me to think someone might take what I wrote as wanting to get someone “riled up and defensive.” Oh my God. So so so not adjust. You’ve no idea. You’ve taken me all so so wrong. That’s the VERY measure THING I desire. Again. I didn’t be to get personal here but if it helps you see where I am coming from… when I was bulimic my create noticed I was spending a LOT of time in the bathroom. He also noticed that certain LARGE AMOUNTS OF FOOD disappeared when he came home from work. Like half of a big container of ice cream…things like that. And I’m sure he noticed my size was dwindling drink to nothing. I’m sure my mother noticed too. But it was my create who finally commented on it. I could see he was on to me. But he only brought it up once and when I dodged his questions he never brought it up again. I could see he was scared of confronting me. He should have confronted me. I like him dearly but he should have pursued it…relentlessly. Maybe I would have recovered much much sooner. Keeping change intensity about things not rocking the ride dancing around issues… doesn’t help a person…especially someone hiding a dangerous secret…it only allows you to be co-dependent. Also my post wasn’t to say “I don’t be you (generalization) to be a vegan.” I DO want you to be vegan. I want everyone to be vegan. But I wouldn’t want someone to be vegan who is using it to put their life at stake. Would you? Because at that inform the issue is no longer about veganism it is about a person’s come up being. I’m not angry (some be to think I am)… just very concerned. And I sooo hope that you understand this…. I’m NOT saying that those who use veganism to enclose an eating disturb are giving veganism a bad name. Veganism is not a unify where if someone doesn’t have the right values you get kicked out. I think because of my past history of militant vegan posts people are (I suppose understandably) taking me the do by way. This is not about “you be to stop being vegan because I don’t think you are following the rules of it.” It’s more of a compassionate plea for those who might fit the description to seek professional back up and THAT is the most important point. And yes some people brought up the fact that an eating disorder will manifest itself in whatever way that allows it to act unnoticed. But you know… evaluate about it…the only other thing I can see someone using is a real DIET (like the South Beach diet). But guess what…for someone with an eating disorder following that kind of diet the problem is going to be transparent to everyone—not hidden whereas being vegan is not as transparent…someone can use “ideals” as an excuse for restricting their food intake. And I don’t be you to go away from vegweb either! Please stay with us! That also wasn’t the point! I have much respect for those of you who have been open in discussing your eating disturb…I evaluate that takes a lot of courage. And I can see that many of you are making such a tremendous effort and making strides to overcome your disorder…and some of you already have…which is so awesome!However for those of you who ARE open about your eating disorders already on vegweb…please remember you are not the ONLY folks on vegweb. There ARE some people out there…lurking about…quiet… who may have eating disorders and ARE using veganism as a way to hide it. And this thread MAY in fact shed light and back up them to go seek professional back up. Though there have been many positive responses to this thread (I thank those who have supported what I wrote!) there undergo been enough contradict ones that I do not want to post further here. I defend to those of you who were offended. I never meant to do so. I never meant to draw anyone out. I never meant to cause to be perceived anyone—rile them up get them defensive. I only meant to bring up the issue out in the open and hope that it would do some good… coming from someone who has been there. Peace. LudaBlue just working with and around food all day can blackball your appetite. My mother worked in the hospital kitchens when I was in school and when she got home she just couldn't face eating food. She had been around it too much and as you say she would poke but not eat. I learned to create from raw material because of this if she had to go home and prepare yet another meal she wouldn't bother to eat anything. So I would have simple nutritious things available like soup something that she could eat without any fuss and without having to sit down at a table. She would often lie in bed with a bowl of soup and a magazine where if she had to prepare it her appetite would go before it was create from raw material even a simple thing like a sandwich. In your case if you can eat on your days off etc as normal it's probably a combination of stress being overtired and "food handler's overkill"--you simply get sick of the sight of the cram.[/quote]Ahhh let me clarify. Yabbit. I work in the fashion industry... We have events where we spend thousands on food that no one eats. I normally bring my own food prepared by me everyday. I just evaluate i have trust issues with anything that is prepared by well not me. SB/ All: I evaluate this is a tough subject & we take it personal because it is. It may feel like an attack but no names were mentioned. Some may respond as in personally attacked because it's something you may conclude guilt about (which is why i mentioned my own demons). I think this is a great place to meet like-minded populate & give each other in any way we need no matter what our reason for being here is. I truly believe this wasn't intended to blow up as it did... For what it's worth? I totally reflected for a hot minute... It's good to take a be at yourself & the world you live sometimes. Thanks M Hey SB. I guess my post might undergo come off a little harsh too. It was more a hint at my distaste for the direction Vegweb is headed (i e all the new rules aimed at eliminating some cram) than a distate in your post. I was kind of thinking. "hey person XYV got pi$$ed on when they did something similar to this go... why isn't it happending here?" And then I my thoughts went in a non-justifiable darker direction ("Is it because they evaluate they can take advantage and knock about some timid girls?") and resulted in my angry-ish post. I know it wasn't your intention and I feel bad that you got upset.. just maybe in the future handel a subject desire ED with kid gloves? Especially if you wish people to self-reflect on their instruct!!! desire you mentioned you've experienced and voiced in your most recent post such confrontation can just lead an ED'er to get defensive and crafty-er with their evil ways. Hm in my opinion (my 2 cents if you will!) I would evaluate that the opposite would be true. Of cover that only applies to populate raising healthy veg kids so let's do by people feeding their kids vegan potato chips or nothing but bean water. I think if you raise a child veg*n you're teaching him/her about nutrition and compassion which is completely unrelated to the self esteem issues underlying problems or other issues associated with an eating disorder. Of course they can coexist but they're certainly not related unless a parent were to create fixation issues. I totally agree. As the mother of a 4 1/2 year old vegan girl. I can say she is headed in a lot exceed of a direction than I was at her age! She knows a lot about healthy eating and makes really good choices with food. If I conclude "fat" once in a while. I don't share that sentiment with her. She thinks everyone (including me) is beautiful so I back up her to continue thinking that way!Also. I understand the reason for this thread and I also understand why some people undergo taken offense. It is such a sensitive affect and I too feel so sad when I see you BEAUTIFUL girls- really really beautiful girls- beating yourself up over your bodies. I wish you will find the truth within yourselves to heal because it IS possible.

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Let me ask... Do you accept being Vegan can act an eating disturb?I for one have always had food issues never considered them an eating disorder because i am certain to eat a healthful balanced diet (normally). However... A full day can go by when working a catered event (which rarely has anything that I would eat but it's for our appointments anyway so who cares) & i'll be & thrust but never pick up a thing... I'll examine the chef & I always conclude like they want to lie & say "there are no egg whites in it"... Or something else adorable. Then i'll have a glass of wine & be toasty rather quickly (hooray alcohol calories! kidding friends). I keep some lara bars around but I have noticed lately that i have dropped some major charge due to stress... And when I stress. I don't eat. But i also have just recently began to become more consumed/ strict with what I eat... So is it possible to be all things VEG for all the alter reasons (whatever they are to you personally) and carry on an ED that way? Not looking for a contend just curious if anyone else may feel the same way... Or if im just a crazy stressed mess at the moment.. xxm i'm a little offended by this and i have never even go close to having an eating disorder of cover all of the regular posters on here know that some members have EDs and that's because they have come out and said it and that takes a lot of strength as it is if you are concerned about someone on here you should communicate them personally and not communicate a large group of populate that you have lumped together because they undergo only one thing in common. I agree. It is completely understandable to take offense when people begin discussing the "stick-thin" girls on this forum. Like Lime Green. I do not believe this is the appropriate place or manner for voicing such concerns as legitimate as they are. Nor is it effective--as we are seeing it only alienates certain populate or groups of populate eliciting reactions of defensiveness anger or compel (and justifiably so). I think the most important thing to remember is that we are all here to support each other as members of the veg*n community. I experience that any expressions of concern arise from a genuine interest in the well-being of everyone here. But I don't think any dialogue we undergo here can be helpful or effective. Like many populate have been saying those of us with disordered eating (or disorders of any sort) really need to seek assistance from other places in order to be well. Ok - like everyone else I've construe lots of the ED threads on here. Can I just turn this around a little? One thing that did occur to me was that perhaps veganism was a saviour for some of those with EDs. By which I convey. I suppose that it allows a strict measure of control over what they're eating but if they're doing it alter they are also eating healthily. This is maybe naive - probably is - I've never had an ED and can't fully understand the mental processes. I'm just watching the effects on the daughter of a dear friend and with her it seems to be the need to open control over something in her life. Veganism could do that. My 2 cents:I was about to be hospitalized for an eating disturb... I researched veganism. Did I want to lose charge? Possibly. I won't deny that. However the main reason I chose veganism was because it has rules. I had my own set of rules for so many years (no this no that no dulcify no carbs etc); rules that made no sense. Veganism's rules make sense. Despite my hopes to suffer a little weight. I mainly made the switch to this type of diet because I couldn't stand my rules any longer-- they were keeping me so sick. Veganism was a last-ditch effort on my part to get healthy. A friend told me once; anyone can be skinny by not eating and purging-- why can't you try to be healthy and maintain a normal weight? I had to compel myself to eat things that I'd not eaten for years in order to nourish myself- carbs mainly-- then I actually made vegan desserts- wow- hadn't let myself eat sweets for a long time. The be just fell into displace. I'd be vegetarian for a while as a teenager for animal reasons- I love em! And the more I read and research this way of life is healthy for me... I've actually gained weight since adapting this way of eating and so I go to the gym a little more-- what has changed is that I'm at peace with what I'm doing (vegan) because it's purposeful (helping earth animals etc) and so it's been a slow dress in my thinking but a totally positive one. ED's aren't easy and this isn't my cure-all; I still deal with thoughts occasionally but fight them on a daily basis. Shaolin. I gesticulate your affix and am glad you brought it up. I do not believe it's "baiting" because no one had to speak up.. someone else said this is in response to another post/topic... I don't experience I'm not on here enough but I do get sick of all the ED threads.. it seems even the positive ones move into... well not so positive for those who be to try to stay healthy. That being said this is strictly my undergo and opinion(s). I am not trying nor intending to anger anyone in any way. Let me ask... Do you accept being Vegan can create an eating disorder?I for one undergo always had food issues never considered them an eating disorder because i am certain to eat a healthful balanced diet (normally). However... A beat day can go by when working a catered event (which rarely has anything that I would eat but it's for our appointments anyway so who cares) & i'll look & thrust but never pick up a thing... I'll quiz the chef & I always feel desire they be to lie & say "there are no egg whites in it"... Or something else adorable. Then i'll have a glass of booze & be toasty rather quickly (hooray alcohol calories! kidding friends). I keep some lara bars around but I have noticed lately that i undergo dropped some major weight due to evince... And when I stress. I don't eat. But i also have just recently began to become more consumed/ strict with what I eat... So is it possible to be all things VEG for all the RIGHT reasons (whatever they are to you personally) and bring on an ED that way? Not looking for a battle just curious if anyone else may feel the same way... Or if im just a crazy stressed mess at the moment.. xxm LudaBlue just working with and around food all day can blackball your appetite. My care worked in the hospital kitchens when I was in school and when she got home she just couldn't face eating food. She had been around it too much and as you say she would poke but not eat. I learned to create from raw material because of this if she had to go domiciliate and prepare yet another meal she wouldn't bother to eat anything. So I would have simple nutritious things available desire soup something that she could eat without any worry and without having to sit down at a table. She would often lie in bed with a bowl of soup and a magazine where if she had to prepare it her appetite would go before it was ready change surface a simple thing like a sandwich. In your inspect if you can eat on your days off etc as normal it's probably a combination of evince being overtired and "food handler's overkill"--you simply get sick of the comprehend of the stuff. Hm in my opinion (my 2 cents if you will!) I would evaluate that the opposite would be true. Of course that only applies to people raising healthy veg kids so let's do by people feeding their kids vegan potato chips or nothing but bean water. I think if you raise a child veg*n you're teaching him/her about nutrition and compassion which is completely unrelated to the self esteem issues underlying problems or other issues associated with an eating disorder. Of cover they can coexist but they're certainly not related unless a parent were to act fixation issues. My internet connection has been down for the past day so I’m only just able to just read and respond. And now. I barely know where to begin. God. I really don’t. Some of you are taking what I said the wrong way. Maybe I went about it all do by. Maybe I’m just a shitty writer who can’t convey what I am feeling and be to say. Please gratify gratify let me make this perfectly alter…I NEVER said that EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has an eating disorder is using veganism as a way to enclose/facilitate it!!!!!I was NOT addressing people with eating disorders COLLECTIVELY. I realize that there are some/many of you who undergo or had an eating disorder who may not have the problem I described. All I was saying is that SOME (SOME SOME SOME… please say it desire a mantra) girls on Vegweb might be hiding their eating disturb with veganism. I PROMISE you I was not singling out any particular person. NOR was I addressing people with eating disorders collectively. It was a general post. I really tried to emphasize in my original post that I DON’T KNOW ANY OF YOU PERSONALLY; again. I cannot locate the reasons why you became vegan or why some of you have eating disorders. I can’t point fingers. I truly can’t. Nor do I have a desire to. Ironically some of you who are offended by what I wrote…I didn’t change surface know you had an eating disorder until now yet it seems desire you think that I am “accusing” you in particular. I know that in the past. I have been abrasive in some posts. I intimidate the bullies. But I can assure you. PROMISE you this affix was not to bait anyone. I never meant to draw anyone out. Especially not anyone in particular. It was merely meant to shed light on an air that some of you might be experiencing…I don’t know who. I really don’t. In fact. I have to say there are so many of you who MIGHT fit the description…I don’t know which of you do in reality. Again that was not the point of my post. Because my internet connection was down earlier today. I went to the library to analyse up on my email on the computer there. My “allotted” computer measure only allowed me enough time to read through this go but not enough to act. I was highly distressed and actually cried. If anyone knows about the anguish and pain and guilt and suffering and fear fear fear and pain pain pain of an eating disorder…it is ME. I went through four years of hell with it. It is a part of my life it is a part of what made me who I am today. I undergo empathy and compassion for anyone going through an eating disturb. I conclude your pain. This is why I wanted to bring it out in the change state. Acknowledging something is the first go to a exceed life. I know this from firsthand experience. Laurabs—I undergo avoided many of the eating disturb threads in the past for various personal reasons (some of which are cropping up right here in this thread) so I did a search on “eating disorders” on vegweb and see that you indeed bring this issue up in the past. But in reading through some of the posts of that thread people are dancing around the air. I know that some of you feel that I am confrontational. I KNOW this is going to sound condescending and I swear that it is not meant to be (I have tremendous consider for all you going through this) but I’ve been through enough in life to experience that dancing around an issue gets no one anywhere. Especially when it comes to important issues or someone’s health. The more something is brought out in the change state the more people LEARN and the more people can better back up themselves. Going in circles patting each other on the back can definitely be comforting. But the stark reality of a problem brought out in the light can jolt someone awake. And help them. It actually hurts me to think someone might act what I wrote as wanting to get someone “riled up and defensive.” Oh my God. So so so not true. You’ve no idea. You’ve taken me all so so wrong. That’s the VERY LAST THING I desire. Again. I didn’t be to get personal here but if it helps you see where I am coming from… when I was bulimic my create noticed I was spending a LOT of time in the bathroom. He also noticed that certain LARGE AMOUNTS OF FOOD disappeared when he came home from work. Like half of a big container of ice cream…things like that. And I’m sure he noticed my size was dwindling drink to nothing. I’m sure my mother noticed too. But it was my father who finally commented on it. I could see he was on to me. But he only brought it up once and when I dodged his questions he never brought it up again. I could see he was scared of confronting me. He should have confronted me. I love him dearly but he should have pursued it…relentlessly. Maybe I would have recovered much much sooner. Keeping quiet about things not rocking the ride dancing around issues… doesn’t help a person…especially someone hiding a dangerous secret…it only allows you to be co-dependent. Also my post wasn’t to say “I don’t be you (generalization) to be a vegan.” I DO want you to be vegan. I want everyone to be vegan. But I wouldn’t want someone to be vegan who is using it to put their life at stake. Would you? Because at that point the issue is no longer about veganism it is about a person’s well being. I’m not angry (some be to think I am)… just very concerned. And I sooo hope that you understand this…. I’m NOT saying that those who use veganism to hide an eating disorder are giving veganism a bad name. Veganism is not a club where if someone doesn’t undergo the alter values you get kicked out. I think because of my past history of militant vegan posts populate are (I suppose understandably) taking me the wrong way. This is not about “you need to stop being vegan because I don’t think you are following the rules of it.” It’s more of a compassionate plea for those who might fit the description to seek professional help and THAT is the most important inform. And yes some people brought up the fact that an eating disorder will manifest itself in whatever way that allows it to act unnoticed. But you know… evaluate about it…the only other thing I can see someone using is a real DIET (like the South Beach diet). But anticipate what…for someone with an eating disorder following that kind of diet the problem is going to be transparent to everyone—not hidden whereas being vegan is not as transparent…someone can use “ideals” as an forgive for restricting their food intake. And I don’t be you to go away from vegweb either! gratify be with us! That also wasn’t the inform! I have much respect for those of you who have been open in discussing your eating disorder…I think that takes a lot of courage. And I can see that many of you are making such a tremendous effort and making strides to beat your disturb…and some of you already undergo…which is so awesome!However for those of you who ARE change state about your eating disorders already on vegweb…gratify bequeath you are not the ONLY folks on vegweb. There ARE some people out there…lurking about…quiet… who may have eating disorders and ARE using veganism as a way to enclose it. And this go MAY in fact shed light and encourage them to go seek professional help. Though there have been many positive responses to this thread (I thank those who have supported what I wrote!) there undergo been enough negative ones that I do not want to affix further here. I apologize to those of you who were offended. I never meant to do so. I never meant to draw anyone out. I never meant to hurt anyone—rile them up get them defensive. I only meant to carry up the issue out in the open and hope that it would do some good… coming from someone who has been there. Peace. LudaBlue just working with and around food all day can blackball your appetite. My mother worked in the hospital kitchens when I was in school and when she got home she just couldn't face eating food. She had been around it too much and as you say she would poke but not eat. I learned to cook because of this if she had to go home and prepare yet another meal she wouldn't bother to eat anything. So I would undergo simple nutritious things available like soup something that she could eat without any fuss and without having to sit down at a table. She would often lie in bed with a bowl of soup and a magazine where if she had to prepare it her appetite would go before it was ready even a simple thing like a sandwich. In your case if you can eat on your days off etc as normal it's probably a combination of stress being overtired and "food handler's overkill"--you simply get sick of the comprehend of the stuff.[/quote]Ahhh let me explain. Yabbit. I bring home the bacon in the fashion industry... We have events where we spend thousands on food that no one eats. I normally bring my own food prepared by me everyday. I just evaluate i have trust issues with anything that is prepared by come up not me. SB/ All: I think this is a tough subject & we take it personal because it is. It may feel like an attack but no names were mentioned. Some may respond as in personally attacked because it's something you may feel guilt about (which is why i mentioned my own demons). I think this is a great place to meet like-minded people & support each other in any way we need no be what our reason for being here is. I truly accept this wasn't intended to blow up as it did... For what it's worth? I totally reflected for a hot minute... It's good to take a look at yourself & the world you live sometimes. Thanks M Hey SB. I anticipate my post might have come off a little harsh too. It was more a convey at my distaste for the direction Vegweb is headed (i e all the new rules aimed at eliminating some stuff) than a distate in your post. I was kind of thinking. "hey person XYV got pi$$ed on when they did something similar to this go... why isn't it happending here?" And then I my thoughts went in a non-justifiable darker direction ("Is it because they think they can take advantage and strike about some timid girls?") and resulted in my angry-ish post. I know it wasn't your intention and I feel bad that you got upset.. just maybe in the future handel a subject desire ED with kid gloves? Especially if you wish people to self-reflect on their instruct!!! Like you mentioned you've experienced and voiced in your most recent post such confrontation can just bring about an ED'er to get defensive and crafty-er with their evil ways. Hm in my opinion (my 2 cents if you ordain!) I would think that the opposite would be adjust. Of cover that only applies to people raising healthy veg kids so let's disregard people feeding their kids vegan potato chips or nothing but bean wet. I think if you raise a child veg*n you're teaching him/her about nutrition and compassion which is completely unrelated to the self esteem issues underlying problems or other issues associated with an eating disturb. Of course they can coexist but they're certainly not related unless a parent were to create fixation issues. I totally agree. As the mother of a 4 1/2 year old vegan girl. I can say she is headed in a lot better of a direction than I was at her age! She knows a lot about healthy eating and makes really good choices with food. If I feel "fat" once in a while. I don't share that sentiment with her. She thinks everyone (including me) is beautiful so I encourage her to continue thinking that way!Also. I understand the reason for this thread and I also understand why some populate have taken offense. It is such a sensitive subject and I too feel so sad when I see you BEAUTIFUL girls- really really beautiful girls- beating yourself up over your bodies. I hope you will sight the truth within yourselves to ameliorate because it IS possible.

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Let me ask... Do you believe being Vegan can create an eating disturb?I for one have always had food issues never considered them an eating disturb because i am certain to eat a healthful balanced fast (normally). However... A full day can go by when working a catered event (which rarely has anything that I would eat but it's for our appointments anyway so who cares) & i'll be & thrust but never pick up a thing... I'll quiz the chef & I always feel desire they be to lie & say "there are no egg whites in it"... Or something else adorable. Then i'll have a glass of wine & be toasty rather quickly (hooray alcohol calories! kidding friends). I keep some lara bars around but I undergo noticed lately that i have dropped some major weight due to evince... And when I stress. I don't eat. But i also have just recently began to become more consumed/ strict with what I eat... So is it possible to be all things VEG for all the RIGHT reasons (whatever they are to you personally) and bring on an ED that way? Not looking for a battle just curious if anyone else may feel the same way... Or if im just a crazy stressed eat at the moment.. xxm i'm a little offended by this and i undergo never even come change state to having an eating disorder of course all of the regular posters on here experience that some members have EDs and that's because they have come out and said it and that takes a lot of strength as it is if you are concerned about someone on here you should communicate them personally and not address a large group of people that you have lumped together because they have only one thing in common. I accept. It is completely understandable to act offense when people begin discussing the "stick-thin" girls on this forum. Like scatter Green. I do not believe this is the appropriate place or manner for voicing such concerns as legitimate as they are. Nor is it effective--as we are seeing it only alienates certain people or groups of populate eliciting reactions of defensiveness arouse or shame (and justifiably so). I evaluate the most important thing to remember is that we are all here to support each other as members of the veg*n community. I know that any expressions of concern arise from a genuine arouse in the well-being of everyone here. But I don't think any dialogue we undergo here can be helpful or effective. desire many populate have been saying those of us with disordered eating (or disorders of any sort) really need to seek assistance from other places in order to be well. Ok - like everyone else I've read lots of the ED threads on here. Can I just move this around a little? One thing that did become to me was that perhaps veganism was a saviour for some of those with EDs. By which I mean. I suppose that it allows a strict decide of control over what they're eating but if they're doing it alter they are also eating healthily. This is maybe naive - probably is - I've never had an ED and can't fully understand the mental processes. I'm just watching the effects on the daughter of a dear friend and with her it seems to be the need to open control over something in her life. Veganism could do that. My 2 cents:I was about to be hospitalized for an eating disorder... I researched veganism. Did I want to lose charge? Possibly. I won't deny that. However the main reason I chose veganism was because it has rules. I had my own set of rules for so many years (no this no that no dulcify no carbs etc); rules that made no sense. Veganism's rules make comprehend. Despite my hopes to lose a little weight. I mainly made the change by reversal to this type of diet because I couldn't stand my rules any longer-- they were keeping me so sick. Veganism was a last-ditch effort on my part to get healthy. A friend told me once; anyone can be skinny by not eating and purging-- why can't you try to be healthy and keep a normal charge? I had to compel myself to eat things that I'd not eaten for years in order to nourish myself- carbs mainly-- then I actually made vegan desserts- wow- hadn't let myself eat sweets for a desire time. The be just cut into place. I'd be vegetarian for a while as a teenager for animal reasons- I love em! And the more I construe and research this way of life is healthy for me... I've actually gained weight since adapting this way of eating and so I go to the gym a little more-- what has changed is that I'm at peace with what I'm doing (vegan) because it's purposeful (helping earth animals etc) and so it's been a slow dress in my thinking but a totally positive one. ED's aren't easy and this isn't my cure-all; I comfort deal with thoughts occasionally but contend them on a daily basis. Shaolin. I gesticulate your post and am glad you brought it up. I do not believe it's "baiting" because no one had to speak up.. someone else said this is in response to another post/topic... I don't know I'm not on here enough but I do get sick of all the ED threads.. it seems even the positive ones turn into... well not so positive for those who want to try to stay healthy. That being said this is strictly my undergo and opinion(s). I am not trying nor intending to offend anyone in any way. Let me ask... Do you accept being Vegan can act an eating disorder?I for one undergo always had food issues never considered them an eating disorder because i am certain to eat a healthful balanced fast (normally). However... A full day can go by when working a catered event (which rarely has anything that I would eat but it's for our appointments anyway so who cares) & i'll look & poke but never pick up a thing... I'll examine the chef & I always conclude like they want to lie & say "there are no egg whites in it"... Or something else adorable. Then i'll undergo a glass of wine & be toasty rather quickly (hooray alcohol calories! kidding friends). I keep some lara bars around but I have noticed lately that i undergo dropped some study charge due to evince... And when I evince. I don't eat. But i also undergo just recently began to become more consumed/ strict with what I eat... So is it possible to be all things VEG for all the RIGHT reasons (whatever they are to you personally) and carry on an ED that way? Not looking for a battle just curious if anyone else may feel the same way... Or if im just a crazy stressed mess at the moment.. xxm LudaBlue just working with and around food all day can blackball your appetite. My mother worked in the hospital kitchens when I was in educate and when she got home she just couldn't face eating food. She had been around it too much and as you say she would thrust but not eat. I learned to cook because of this if she had to go home and alter yet another meal she wouldn't bother to eat anything. So I would have simple nutritious things available like soup something that she could eat without any fuss and without having to sit drink at a delay. She would often lie in bed with a roll of soup and a magazine where if she had to prepare it her appetite would go before it was ready even a simple thing like a sandwich. In your case if you can eat on your days off etc as normal it's probably a combination of stress being overtired and "food handler's overkill"--you simply get sick of the comprehend of the stuff. Hm in my opinion (my 2 cents if you ordain!) I would think that the opposite would be true. Of cover that only applies to people raising healthy veg kids so let's disregard people feeding their kids vegan potato chips or nothing but bean wet. I think if you raise a child veg*n you're teaching him/her about nutrition and compassion which is completely unrelated to the self consider issues underlying problems or other issues associated with an eating disturb. Of cover they can coexist but they're certainly not related unless a parent were to act fixation issues. My internet connection has been down for the past day so I’m only just able to just construe and act. And now. I barely experience where to begin. God. I really don’t. Some of you are taking what I said the wrong way. Maybe I went about it all wrong. Maybe I’m just a shitty writer who can’t give what I am feeling and be to say. Please gratify please let me alter this perfectly clear…I NEVER said that EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has an eating disorder is using veganism as a way to hide/facilitate it!!!!!I was NOT addressing people with eating disorders COLLECTIVELY. I realize that there are some/many of you who have or had an eating disturb who may not have the problem I described. All I was saying is that SOME (SOME SOME SOME… gratify say it like a mantra) girls on Vegweb might be hiding their eating disorder with veganism. I PROMISE you I was not singling out any particular person. NOR was I addressing populate with eating disorders collectively. It was a general post. I really tried to emphasize in my original post that I DON’T KNOW ANY OF YOU PERSONALLY; again. I cannot locate the reasons why you became vegan or why some of you have eating disorders. I can’t point fingers. I truly can’t. Nor do I undergo a desire to. Ironically some of you who are offended by what I wrote…I didn’t even know you had an eating disturb until now yet it seems like you think that I am “accusing” you in particular. I know that in the past. I have been abrasive in some posts. I intimidate the bullies. But I can affirm you. declare you this post was not to bait anyone. I never meant to draw anyone out. Especially not anyone in particular. It was merely meant to shed light on an air that some of you might be experiencing…I don’t experience who. I really don’t. In fact. I undergo to say there are so many of you who MIGHT fit the description…I don’t experience which of you do in reality. Again that was not the point of my post. Because my internet connection was down earlier today. I went to the library to check up on my email on the computer there. My “allotted” computer time only allowed me enough time to read through this thread but not enough to respond. I was highly distressed and actually cried. If anyone knows about the anguish and pain and guilt and suffering and fear fear fear and pain hurt pain of an eating disturb…it is ME. I went through four years of hell with it. It is a move of my life it is a part of what made me who I am today. I have empathy and compassion for anyone going through an eating disorder. I feel your pain. This is why I wanted to carry it out in the open. Acknowledging something is the first step to a better life. I know this from firsthand undergo. Laurabs—I have avoided many of the eating disturb threads in the past for various personal reasons (some of which are cropping up right here in this thread) so I did a examine on “eating disorders” on vegweb and see that you indeed bring this air up in the past. But in reading through some of the posts of that go populate are dancing around the air. I know that some of you feel that I am confrontational. I experience this is going to appear condescending and I swear that it is not meant to be (I have tremendous consider for all you going through this) but I’ve been through enough in life to experience that dancing around an air gets no one anywhere. Especially when it comes to important issues or someone’s health. The more something is brought out in the open the more populate LEARN and the more people can exceed help themselves. Going in circles patting each other on the back can definitely be comforting. But the stark reality of a problem brought out in the light can jolt someone change state. And back up them. It actually hurts me to think someone might take what I wrote as wanting to get someone “riled up and defensive.” Oh my God. So so so not true. You’ve no idea. You’ve taken me all so so wrong. That’s the VERY LAST THING I desire. Again. I didn’t want to get personal here but if it helps you see where I am coming from… when I was bulimic my father noticed I was spending a LOT of time in the bathroom. He also noticed that certain LARGE AMOUNTS OF FOOD disappeared when he came home from work. Like half of a big container of ice beat…things like that. And I’m sure he noticed my size was dwindling down to nothing. I’m sure my mother noticed too. But it was my create who finally commented on it. I could see he was on to me. But he only brought it up once and when I dodged his questions he never brought it up again. I could see he was scared of confronting me. He should have confronted me. I like him dearly but he should undergo pursued it…relentlessly. Maybe I would have recovered much much sooner. Keeping quiet about things not rocking the boat dancing around issues… doesn’t help a person…especially someone hiding a dangerous secret…it only allows you to be co-dependent. Also my post wasn’t to say “I don’t be you (generalization) to be a vegan.” I DO be you to be vegan. I want everyone to be vegan. But I wouldn’t want someone to be vegan who is using it to put their life at stake. Would you? Because at that inform the issue is no longer about veganism it is about a person’s well being. I’m not angry (some be to think I am)… just very concerned. And I sooo wish that you understand this…. I’m NOT saying that those who use veganism to hide an eating disorder are giving veganism a bad name. Veganism is not a club where if someone doesn’t have the right values you get kicked out. I think because of my past history of militant vegan posts people are (I speculate understandably) taking me the wrong way. This is not about “you need to stop being vegan because I don’t evaluate you are following the rules of it.” It’s more of a compassionate plea for those who might fit the description to seek professional help and THAT is the most important inform. And yes some people brought up the fact that an eating disorder will bear witness itself in whatever way that allows it to continue unnoticed. But you know… think about it…the only other thing I can see someone using is a real fast (desire the South Beach diet). But guess what…for someone with an eating disturb following that kind of diet the problem is going to be transparent to everyone—not hidden whereas being vegan is not as transparent…someone can use “ideals” as an excuse for restricting their food intake. And I don’t want you to go away from vegweb either! Please stay with us! That also wasn’t the inform! I have much respect for those of you who have been change state in discussing your eating disorder…I think that takes a lot of courage. And I can see that many of you are making such a tremendous effort and making strides to overcome your disorder…and some of you already have…which is so awesome!However for those of you who ARE open about your eating disorders already on vegweb…please bequeath you are not the ONLY folks on vegweb. There ARE some people out there…lurking about…quiet… who may have eating disorders and ARE using veganism as a way to enclose it. And this thread MAY in fact remove light and encourage them to go seek professional back up. Though there have been many positive responses to this thread (I convey those who have supported what I wrote!) there have been enough contradict ones that I do not be to post advance here. I defend to those of you who were offended. I never meant to do so. I never meant to displace anyone out. I never meant to cause to be perceived anyone—rile them up get them defensive. I only meant to bring up the air out in the open and hope that it would do some good… coming from someone who has been there. Peace. LudaBlue just working with and around food all day can kill your appetite. My mother worked in the hospital kitchens when I was in school and when she got home she just couldn't approach eating food. She had been around it too much and as you say she would poke but not eat. I learned to cook because of this if she had to go home and prepare yet another meal she wouldn't bother to eat anything. So I would have simple nutritious things available like soup something that she could eat without any worry and without having to sit down at a delay. She would often lie in bed with a roll of soup and a magazine where if she had to prepare it her appetite would go before it was ready change surface a simple thing like a devise. In your case if you can eat on your days off etc as normal it's probably a combination of evince being overtired and "food handler's overkill"--you simply get sick of the sight of the stuff.[/quote]Ahhh let me explain. Yabbit. I work in the fashion industry... We have events where we spend thousands on food that no one eats. I normally bring my own food prepared by me everyday. I just think i have trust issues with anything that is prepared by well not me. SB/ All: I think this is a tough subject & we take it personal because it is. It may feel like an attack but no names were mentioned. Some may respond as in personally attacked because it's something you may feel guilt about (which is why i mentioned my own demons). I think this is a great place to meet like-minded populate & support each other in any way we be no matter what our reason for being here is. I truly accept this wasn't intended to breathe out up as it did... For what it's worth? I totally reflected for a hot minute... It's good to take a look at yourself & the world you live sometimes. Thanks M Hey SB. I anticipate my post might undergo go off a little harsh too. It was more a hint at my distaste for the direction Vegweb is headed (i e all the new rules aimed at eliminating some cram) than a distate in your post. I was kind of thinking. "hey person XYV got pi$$ed on when they did something similar to this go... why isn't it happending here?" And then I my thoughts went in a non-justifiable darker direction ("Is it because they evaluate they can take favor and knock about some timid girls?") and resulted in my angry-ish post. I know it wasn't your intention and I feel bad that you got disturb.. just maybe in the future handel a subject desire ED with kid gloves? Especially if you desire populate to self-reflect on their condition!!! desire you mentioned you've experienced and voiced in your most recent post such confrontation can just bring about an ED'er to get defensive and crafty-er with their evil ways. Hm in my opinion (my 2 cents if you will!) I would think that the opposite would be true. Of course that only applies to populate raising healthy veg kids so let's do by populate feeding their kids vegan potato chips or nothing but hit water. I think if you increase a child veg*n you're teaching him/her about nutrition and compassion which is completely unrelated to the self consider issues underlying problems or other issues associated with an eating disorder. Of cover they can coexist but they're certainly not related unless a parent were to act fixation issues. I totally agree. As the mother of a 4 1/2 year old vegan girl. I can say she is headed in a lot exceed of a direction than I was at her age! She knows a lot about healthy eating and makes really good choices with food. If I feel "fat" once in a while. I don't share that sentiment with her. She thinks everyone (including me) is beautiful so I encourage her to continue thinking that way!Also. I understand the reason for this thread and I also understand why some populate have taken offense. It is such a sensitive affect and I too conclude so sad when I see you BEAUTIFUL girls- really really beautiful girls- beating yourself up over your bodies. I wish you will find the truth within yourselves to heal because it IS possible.

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Let me ask... Do you accept being Vegan can create an eating disorder?I for one have always had food issues never considered them an eating disturb because i am certain to eat a healthful balanced diet (normally). However... A full day can go by when working a catered event (which rarely has anything that I would eat but it's for our appointments anyway so who cares) & i'll look & poke but never pick up a thing... I'll examine the chef & I always conclude like they want to lie & say "there are no egg whites in it"... Or something else adorable. Then i'll have a glass of wine & be toasty rather quickly (hooray alcohol calories! kidding friends). I keep some lara bars around but I undergo noticed lately that i undergo dropped some major charge due to evince... And when I stress. I don't eat. But i also undergo just recently began to become more consumed/ strict with what I eat... So is it possible to be all things VEG for all the alter reasons (whatever they are to you personally) and carry on an ED that way? Not looking for a battle just curious if anyone else may feel the same way... Or if im just a crazy stressed mess at the moment.. xxm i'm a little offended by this and i have never even go close to having an eating disorder of course all of the regular posters on here know that some members have EDs and that's because they undergo come out and said it and that takes a lot of strength as it is if you are concerned about someone on here you should communicate them personally and not communicate a large group of people that you undergo lumped together because they have only one thing in common. I agree. It is completely understandable to take offense when people begin discussing the "stick-thin" girls on this forum. Like scatter Green. I do not believe this is the appropriate place or manner for voicing such concerns as allow as they are. Nor is it effective--as we are seeing it only alienates certain people or groups of people eliciting reactions of defensiveness anger or shame (and justifiably so). I think the most important thing to remember is that we are all here to support each other as members of the veg*n community. I experience that any expressions of concern become from a genuine interest in the well-being of everyone here. But I don't think any dialogue we have here can be helpful or effective. Like many people have been saying those of us with disordered eating (or disorders of any sort) really need to seek assistance from other places in request to be well. Ok - like everyone else I've construe lots of the ED threads on here. Can I just turn this around a little? One thing that did occur to me was that perhaps veganism was a saviour for some of those with EDs. By which I mean. I speculate that it allows a strict measure of control over what they're eating but if they're doing it alter they are also eating healthily. This is maybe naive - probably is - I've never had an ED and can't fully understand the mental processes. I'm just watching the effects on the daughter of a dear friend and with her it seems to be the need to establish hold back over something in her life. Veganism could do that. My 2 cents:I was about to be hospitalized for an eating disturb... I researched veganism. Did I want to lose charge? Possibly. I won't deny that. However the main cerebrate I chose veganism was because it has rules. I had my own set of rules for so many years (no this no that no dulcify no carbs etc); rules that made no sense. Veganism's rules make sense. Despite my hopes to lose a little weight. I mainly made the switch to this type of fast because I couldn't rest my rules any longer-- they were keeping me so sick. Veganism was a last-ditch effort on my part to get healthy. A friend told me once; anyone can be skinny by not eating and purging-- why can't you try to be healthy and maintain a normal weight? I had to force myself to eat things that I'd not eaten for years in request to nourish myself- carbs mainly-- then I actually made vegan desserts- wow- hadn't let myself eat sweets for a long time. The rest just fell into place. I'd be vegetarian for a while as a teenager for animal reasons- I love em! And the more I read and investigate this way of life is healthy for me... I've actually gained charge since adapting this way of eating and so I go to the gym a little more-- what has changed is that I'm at peace with what I'm doing (vegan) because it's purposeful (helping earth animals etc) and so it's been a slow dress in my thinking but a totally positive one. ED's aren't easy and this isn't my cure-all; I still deal with thoughts occasionally but fight them on a daily basis. Shaolin. I gesticulate your post and am glad you brought it up. I do not accept it's "baiting" because no one had to speak up.. someone else said this is in response to another affix/topic... I don't know I'm not on here enough but I do get sick of all the ED threads.. it seems even the positive ones turn into... well not so positive for those who want to try to stay healthy. That being said this is strictly my experience and opinion(s). I am not trying nor intending to offend anyone in any way. Let me ask... Do you believe being Vegan can create an eating disorder?I for one undergo always had food issues never considered them an eating disorder because i am certain to eat a healthful balanced fast (normally). However... A full day can go by when working a catered event (which rarely has anything that I would eat but it's for our appointments anyway so who cares) & i'll look & poke but never pick up a thing... I'll quiz the chef & I always feel like they be to lie & say "there are no egg whites in it"... Or something else adorable. Then i'll undergo a glass of wine & be toasty rather quickly (hooray alcohol calories! kidding friends). I keep some lara bars around but I have noticed lately that i have dropped some major weight due to stress... And when I stress. I don't eat. But i also have just recently began to become more consumed/ strict with what I eat... So is it possible to be all things VEG for all the RIGHT reasons (whatever they are to you personally) and bring on an ED that way? Not looking for a battle just curious if anyone else may feel the same way... Or if im just a crazy stressed mess at the moment.. xxm LudaBlue just working with and around food all day can kill your appetite. My mother worked in the hospital kitchens when I was in school and when she got home she just couldn't face eating food. She had been around it too much and as you say she would poke but not eat. I learned to cook because of this if she had to go home and alter yet another meal she wouldn't bother to eat anything. So I would undergo simple nutritious things available like dope something that she could eat without any fuss and without having to sit down at a table. She would often lie in bed with a bowl of dope and a magazine where if she had to prepare it her appetite would go before it was ready change surface a simple thing like a sandwich. In your case if you can eat on your days off etc as normal it's probably a combination of stress being overtired and "food handler's overkill"--you simply get sick of the sight of the stuff. Hm in my opinion (my 2 cents if you will!) I would evaluate that the opposite would be true. Of course that only applies to people raising healthy veg kids so let's do by people feeding their kids vegan potato chips or nothing but bean water. I evaluate if you increase a child veg*n you're teaching him/her about nutrition and compassion which is completely unrelated to the self esteem issues underlying problems or other issues associated with an eating disorder. Of course they can coexist but they're certainly not related unless a parent were to create fixation issues. My internet connection has been down for the past day so I’m only just able to just read and act. And now. I barely know where to mouth. God. I really don’t. Some of you are taking what I said the wrong way. Maybe I went about it all wrong. Maybe I’m just a shitty writer who can’t convey what I am feeling and want to say. gratify please please let me make this perfectly alter…I NEVER said that EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has an eating disorder is using veganism as a way to hide/facilitate it!!!!!I was NOT addressing populate with eating disorders COLLECTIVELY. I realize that there are some/many of you who undergo or had an eating disorder who may not have the problem I described. All I was saying is that SOME (SOME SOME SOME… please say it desire a mantra) girls on Vegweb might be hiding their eating disturb with veganism. I PROMISE you I was not singling out any particular person. NOR was I addressing people with eating disorders collectively. It was a general post. I really tried to evince in my original post that I DON’T experience ANY OF YOU PERSONALLY; again. I cannot pinpoint the reasons why you became vegan or why some of you undergo eating disorders. I can’t inform fingers. I truly can’t. Nor do I have a desire to. Ironically some of you who are offended by what I wrote…I didn’t change surface experience you had an eating disorder until now yet it seems desire you evaluate that I am “accusing” you in particular. I know that in the past. I undergo been abrasive in some posts. I bully the bullies. But I can assure you. PROMISE you this post was not to bait anyone. I never meant to draw anyone out. Especially not anyone in particular. It was merely meant to shed lighten on an issue that some of you might be experiencing…I don’t know who. I really don’t. In fact. I have to say there are so many of you who MIGHT fit the description…I don’t know which of you do in reality. Again that was not the inform of my post. Because my internet connection was down earlier today. I went to the library to analyse up on my email on the computer there. My “allotted” computer measure only allowed me enough time to read through this thread but not enough to respond. I was highly distressed and actually cried. If anyone knows about the anguish and pain and guilt and suffering and fear worry fear and pain hurt hurt of an eating disorder…it is ME. I went through four years of hell with it. It is a part of my life it is a part of what made me who I am today. I undergo empathy and compassion for anyone going through an eating disorder. I feel your pain. This is why I wanted to bring it out in the open. Acknowledging something is the first step to a better life. I know this from firsthand experience. Laurabs—I undergo avoided many of the eating disorder threads in the past for various personal reasons (some of which are cropping up alter here in this thread) so I did a search on “eating disorders” on vegweb and see that you indeed bring this issue up in the past. But in reading through some of the posts of that thread people are dancing around the air. I experience that some of you conclude that I am confrontational. I KNOW this is going to sound condescending and I swear that it is not meant to be (I undergo tremendous respect for all you going through this) but I’ve been through enough in life to know that dancing around an issue gets no one anywhere. Especially when it comes to important issues or someone’s health. The more something is brought out in the change state the more populate LEARN and the more populate can better help themselves. Going in circles patting each other on the back can definitely be comforting. But the stark reality of a problem brought out in the lighten can jolt someone awake. And back up them. It actually hurts me to evaluate someone might take what I wrote as wanting to get someone “riled up and defensive.” Oh my God. So so so not adjust. You’ve no idea. You’ve taken me all so so wrong. That’s the VERY LAST THING I desire. Again. I didn’t be to get personal here but if it helps you see where I am coming from… when I was bulimic my create noticed I was spending a LOT of time in the bathroom. He also noticed that certain LARGE AMOUNTS OF FOOD disappeared when he came home from work. Like half of a big container of ice cream…things like that. And I’m sure he noticed my coat was dwindling down to nothing. I’m sure my mother noticed too. But it was my father who finally commented on it. I could see he was on to me. But he only brought it up once and when I dodged his questions he never brought it up again. I could see he was scared of confronting me. He should have confronted me. I love him dearly but he should have pursued it…relentlessly. Maybe I would undergo recovered much much sooner. Keeping quiet about things not rocking the boat dancing around issues… doesn’t back up a person…especially someone hiding a dangerous secret…it only allows you to be co-dependent. Also my affix wasn’t to say “I don’t want you (generalization) to be a vegan.” I DO want you to be vegan. I want everyone to be vegan. But I wouldn’t be someone to be vegan who is using it to put their life at stake. Would you? Because at that point the issue is no longer about veganism it is about a person’s well being. I’m not angry (some seem to think I am)… just very concerned. And I sooo wish that you understand this…. I’m NOT saying that those who use veganism to enclose an eating disorder are giving veganism a bad name. Veganism is not a club where if someone doesn’t have the alter values you get kicked out. I evaluate because of my past history of militant vegan posts people are (I suppose understandably) taking me the wrong way. This is not about “you need to stop being vegan because I don’t think you are following the rules of it.” It’s more of a compassionate plea for those who might fit the description to seek professional help and THAT is the most important point. And yes some people brought up the fact that an eating disturb will bear witness itself in whatever way that allows it to continue unnoticed. But you know… think about it…the only other thing I can see someone using is a real DIET (like the South Beach diet). But guess what…for someone with an eating disturb following that kind of fast the problem is going to be transparent to everyone—not hidden whereas being vegan is not as transparent…someone can use “ideals” as an forgive for restricting their food intake. And I don’t be you to go away from vegweb either! Please stay with us! That also wasn’t the point! I have much respect for those of you who undergo been open in discussing your eating disorder…I evaluate that takes a lot of courage. And I can see that many of you are making such a tremendous effort and making strides to overcome your disorder…and some of you already undergo…which is so awesome!However for those of you who ARE open about your eating disorders already on vegweb…please remember you are not the ONLY folks on vegweb. There ARE some people out there…lurking about…quiet… who may have eating disorders and ARE using veganism as a way to hide it. And this thread MAY in fact shed light and back up them to go seek professional help. Though there undergo been many positive responses to this thread (I thank those who have supported what I wrote!) there undergo been enough negative ones that I do not want to post further here. I apologize to those of you who were offended. I never meant to do so. I never meant to draw anyone out. I never meant to hurt anyone—rile them up get them defensive. I only meant to carry up the issue out in the open and wish that it would do some good… coming from someone who has been there. Peace. LudaBlue just working with and around food all day can blackball your appetite. My mother worked in the hospital kitchens when I was in school and when she got home she just couldn't face eating food. She had been around it too much and as you say she would poke but not eat. I learned to cook because of this if she had to go home and prepare yet another meal she wouldn't reach to eat anything. So I would undergo simple nutritious things available like soup something that she could eat without any fuss and without having to sit down at a table. She would often lie in bed with a bowl of dope and a magazine where if she had to alter it her appetite would go before it was create from raw material even a simple thing like a sandwich. In your case if you can eat on your days off etc as normal it's probably a combination of stress being overtired and "food handler's overkill"--you simply get sick of the sight of the cram.[/ingeminate]Ahhh let me clarify. Yabbit. I work in the fashion industry... We have events where we spend thousands on food that no one eats. I normally bring my own food prepared by me everyday. I just think i undergo trust issues with anything that is prepared by well not me. SB/ All: I think this is a tough subject & we take it personal because it is. It may conclude like an contend but no names were mentioned. Some may act as in personally attacked because it's something you may conclude guilt about (which is why i mentioned my own demons). I think this is a great place to meet like-minded people & support each other in any way we need no be what our reason for being here is. I truly accept this wasn't intended to blow up as it did... For what it's worth? I totally reflected for a hot minute... It's good to take a look at yourself & the world you live sometimes. Thanks M Hey SB. I anticipate my affix might have come off a little harsh too. It was more a hint at my distaste for the direction Vegweb is headed (i e all the new rules aimed at eliminating some stuff) than a distate in your post. I was kind of thinking. "hey person XYV got pi$$ed on when they did something similar to this go... why isn't it happending here?" And then I my thoughts went in a non-justifiable darker direction ("Is it because they think they can take advantage and knock about some timid girls?") and resulted in my angry-ish post. I experience it wasn't your intention and I feel bad that you got upset.. just maybe in the future handel a subject like ED with kid gloves? Especially if you wish people to self-reflect on their condition!!! desire you mentioned you've experienced and voiced in your most recent post such confrontation can just bring about an ED'er to get defensive and crafty-er with their evil ways. Hm in my opinion (my 2 cents if you ordain!) I would evaluate that the opposite would be adjust. Of course that only applies to populate raising healthy veg kids so let's disregard people feeding their kids vegan potato chips or nothing but hit water. I evaluate if you raise a child veg*n you're teaching him/her about nutrition and compassion which is completely unrelated to the self consider issues underlying problems or other issues associated with an eating disorder. Of course they can coexist but they're certainly not related unless a parent were to create fixation issues. I totally agree. As the care of a 4 1/2 year old vegan girl. I can say she is headed in a lot exceed of a direction than I was at her age! She knows a lot about healthy eating and makes really good choices with food. If I conclude "fat" once in a while. I don't share that sentiment with her. She thinks everyone (including me) is beautiful so I back up her to act thinking that way!Also. I understand the cerebrate for this go and I also understand why some people have taken offense. It is such a sensitive subject and I too feel so sad when I see you BEAUTIFUL girls- really really beautiful girls- beating yourself up over your bodies. I hope you will find the truth within yourselves to ameliorate because it IS possible.

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